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Re: the ZMailer list is back under Majordomo and heavy filters...

On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 01:53:38PM +0100, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 03:45:47PM +0300, Matti Aarnio wrote:
> > It became about instantly obvious, that this list can not be run without
> > it being under Majordomo for junk filtering (send only by subscribers)
> > 
> > This happened, when  nic.funet.fi  server was finally updated to more
> > modern SPARC hardware from ancient Sun E450 (Solaris 2.6 -> 10  change
> > at the same time) -- and its system managers did think that Majordomo
> > 1.x is Not Good system anymore  (as if e.g. any MailMan is even half-way
> > usable.)
> I found Ecartis a bearable, more featureful replacement for Majordomo
> which also was easy to get to cooperate with zmailer and spamassassin.
> Downside: Development of Ecartis seems about as dead as dinosaurs.

Ah well,  and all software that is no longer highly actively developed
is "bad" - at least to several (mumblemumble) escaped managers.
Perhaps I should have a look at it.

All instances that I have encountered Ecartis so far have been about
it getting into "help-loop" with Majordomo.  Not a pretty sight...

All lists robots need to have a "you are too chatty" filters, so when
such trigers, they just silently discard the message.  Loops stop quick.
(Say, 3 000 messages from same sender in a day -> chatty trap)
(Alas, no.  our Majordomos don't have such a thing...)

> The knock-out criterum against Mailman for me was that it keeps it's
> subscriber lists in some database.  Not fun if every once in a while
> some manual fiddling with the list is needed.

If there only were couple command-line tools in addition to all that 
"cool" web junk...

Oh by the way, that thing what Mailman does is not "database" per se,
but encoded Python data representation stream with which it can read
back into memory the whole dataset.

> As I understand vger.kernel.org is running a special-hacked version of
> Majordomo which from my user perspective seems to make a very good job;
> is that code available?

Ask   postmaster@vger.kernel.org  for that.

Most of the anti-spam thingie there is keyword-based processing.
Those TABOO-patterns are published, and they are in system global
majordomo.cf  file.   For performance reasons their processing was
altered significantly, though.  Speedup was easily 100 fold.

>   Ralf
/Matti Aarnio	<mea@nic.funet.fi>
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